A full an frank interview on the case
Also Must See "Selective Hearing , Brian Deer and the GMC"
Download and edited by Brian Deer into a very short piece called "a tall story"
here is the full 1 hour interview unedited and uninterrupted.
The companies that produce these vaccines are corrupt and the CDC and AMA are part of the same club that does what big Pharma wants. It’s obscene these kids are sacrificed for greed and whatever other evil intention.
Not sure if you guys have studies the original journal of Dr. Andrew Wakefield that came out in 1998 where he claimed the correlation for Autism with the MMR vaccine. Since then his license to practice medicine has been revoked for the statements with lack of evidence that he had published as well, as the article being rescinded. Which basically means that the article should have never been published in the first place.
The point I'm trying to make here is don't believe anything for face value. Not everything you see on your Facebook feed is true. Do your research and just because someone states a scientific claim doesn't mean its true. Anyone can give a scientific claim.
All I'm saying is be responsible for what you believe in.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield has very serious concerns about mass vaccination. I agree with him. I have met him personally and have looked at his research. Because he has been so vilified by the media (and some YouTube viewers), I will publicly take a stand with him. The man is right. He is honest, and he is compassionate. Those are the qualities I want in a physician.
Literally just watched Brian Deer's "film" about Dr. Wakefield...... Comments disabled. Yet here I am commenting.... Why Is it okay to comment on Dr Wakefield but not ok to comment on Deer's "film"??????/?
I hope one day all the criminals of the CDC, FDA , Merck, ... will go to jail for their crimes against humanity
but we saw what happened to the criminals that destroyed the world economy in 2008 : not 1 person in jail
When a decision is made, where there are 3 defendants, and one of the defendants wins their appeal, based on the primary judging board's reasons for revoking their medical licence, the outstanding decision for the other two defendants, has to come under some serious questioning, especially when the Court Judge (the 1st time this case had gone to an independent judiciary) rips the primary judges decision to pieces.
And that is the frustrating part to this, Andrew Wakefield, will have to find at least £500 000 to appeal his decision, and I don't believe for a minute he will have that amount of money.
heavypizza Unfortunately for that report, basic patient medical data does show a high prevalence of gastrointestinal problems in autism spectrum disorders. Despite Wakefield's perceived misgivings regarding the lancet paper and ethics, turns out the correlation between autism and gastrointestinal problems is I
correct. This article you reference finds the parental self disclosure of health symptoms and timelines about their child as the largest issue with the lancet paper. Interesting that a patients perception in the face of MMR damage is immediately discredited as unreliable, while ironically the "father" of vaccines, (Jenner) began the basis of his vaccine theory not on any clinical indication or research, but on the rumor and claims of the common milk maid. Apparently what was good enough for Jenner to spur the vaccine movement, isn't good enough for today's physicians and scientists who are well above the input of their patients and communities. In addition I find no discrepancy between the conflicts of Dr.Wakefield and those study authors from the CDC and Merck. Most of those researchers have similar conflicts and many actually hold patents on vaccines that are widely in use, such as Dr. Ofitt. Yet it's not considered an issue unless your view on vaccines is politically incorrect. It's really just the pot calling the kettle black, the good news is that it perhaps sets a precedent to start retracting all the published papers with similar conflicts, and discredit Doctors like Ofitt in the same way for the exact same reasons.
Government cover up that's all it. DR Andrew Wakefield is a Doctor with sense. The UK government want to protect there assets from what they get from the vaccine companies they don't care about children and they will do at any cost even it means that a very good doctor gets truck off and loses his licence to practise.We will have a world full of vaccine damaged children by 2093 this is a total disgrace.
My father was a psychiatrist who studied Manic Depression and the drug containing lithium. He was paid by a drug company to write his study of areas in Texas that have naturally in the water higher levels of lithium and less incidences of Manic Depression. He was not able to finish his report as his health went down. He was awarded an honor by the State Medical Director for opening a methadone outpatient clinic in Dallas TX. Why is this being written here? He explained that any natural source of health that cant be controlled by a drug company does not get the light of day by research and science funded by drug companies as there is not profit/gain by them to not sell prescriptions with greater side effects than some natural things. I found on Amazon.com a source for very natural cacao which is a chocolate bean which is a super food antioxidant. Trying it and does not taste bitter when in a powder form. What studies on the 4% of autism cases that could be considered genetic causes? I have great respect for Dr Wakefield as much as I have for my Dad. Thank you.
Just to let everyone posting comments here know, Some Random Studio and Stupid Flanders aren't interested in the truth -
which you'll find out if you read other comments they've posted below. They won't read information or studies sent in reply to them, and then reply with total nonsense, so don't waste your time on them. I suspect they're shills.
If Wakefield actually felt passionate for this "cause", surely he would return to England to "save the children" from the "horrors" of the vaccine. Wakefield was associated with a company who wanted their version of the vaccine sold; basically they would pay him to get their vaccine sold. And anyway, Autism isn't the terrible disease it's made out to be, it simply makes you different. The unique thinking of autistic individuals such as Alan Turing and Albert Einstein allowed for amazing inventions and discovery. Better to live with Autism than to die of some awful disease
There's no evidence that Turing had autism, and there's no evidence that Einstein's autism helped him as a scientist. He may have been just as talented without his speech problems as a child. The vast, vast majority of autistic people have no special abilities, just like NTs. I say this as an autistic person. The stereotype that we are all geniuses makes others less likely to consider autism as a proper condition, and therefore less likely that we will get the support/welfare/treatment etc that we deserve.
So autism is not terrible you say. My, my my, that is not what all the parents of suffers say to me. Amazing how peoples' life experiences differ.
So I must accept what you say regarding your experiences of autism, likewise I trust that you will accept my experiences are different. It is after all a spectrum.
Can someone please give me some solid scientific proof that Autism is caused by vaccines. All I've been getting are statements that completely avoid answering the question, because the answerer clearly has no idea what they are talking about
One of the weirdest and most despicable movements I've observed is this autism acceptance bullshit. IMO the whole thing was started by those that promote these vaccines. Let's all go brain damage our children for life and tell ourselves they're better off than they would be contracting a normal childhood illness. God.
And he was STRUCK OFF, the register, unable to practice medicine in the UK again. And what is so galling it isn't his research, they questioned it was his methods, absolutely despicable. In the mean time MMR goes on routinely in the UK. What a load of shit, and David Salisbury, the twat who has pushed the GMC to do their worse, when he knew what Wakefield had found out about the measles vaccine was true. If anything Salisbury should be up before the GMC, his arrogance nearly killed kids with meningitis and who knows how many kids are living with the affects of the MMR vaccine. Salisbury is a disgrace to his profession!!!
I have never heard of Wakefield's autism free vaccine.
What he held was that to be safe, individual vaccines should be given. Not his vaccine but the vaccines which were used pre MMR and were still available individually in the UK.
In my experience he cares very deeply for the Autistic.
If you hate vaccines so much, how come you support Wakefield's vaccine; you literally just said that there's no point in them. Wakefield doesn't care for the welfare of Autistic people, he cares about the public using his "Autism-free" vaccine, which would make him large amounts of money. If he really cared about anyone "affected", surely he would campaign for their rights, not go around trying to eradicate them altogether?
If a child gets mumps there are no lasting affects, a mild disease and it's over. However, if a post pubescent male gets mumps, he can develop testicular swelling which can lead to sterility and is a known pre cursor to testicular cancer. When a child is vaccinated against mumps, that immunity will last between 5-10 yrs at the very most, putting males in danger of the complications of mumps. Chickenpox is far more serious a disease in adults, accounting for many hospital admittances, once again the immunity from the vaccine lasts 10yrs at the most. Measles is more serious in the under 1s & adults, the vaccine lasts 10yrs at the most, so if you don't keep up with your shots, vaccines has made you more vulnerable as an adult, and made you a monetary slave to big pharma. And that is the crux of the whole saga with vaccines, money!
+Flickehh the point is when, kids got the measles they became immune for life, which meant babies up to 1 yr old, were protected by their mother, via the placenta and breast milk. It is babies under the age of 1 where there is the concern about children catching measles, over 1 any risks from complications from measles drop dramatically, and deaths virtually non existent in the Western world. The only thing measles vaccine has done is replace natural immunity for those at high risk with measles complications with a big wad of cash for big pharma. When MMR was first released, it was released on the belief, "one vaccine for life," but as time went on it became apparent the efficacy of MMR was not as it was first thought, hence the boosters. Deaths from measles is incredibly rare, the cases of autism and regressive autism (developing normally, then something happens which makes the child's development regress)from measles vaccine is far higher, and that is the CDC's own research from 2003
Matthew Hughes, Firstly let's sort this thing out, where you say, Andrew Wakefield, is all those derogatory names you used against him, did you know the American Centre for Disease Control committed a massive medical fraud, where the a study they undertook to see if the age of exposure to the MMR vaccine was relevant in causing autism.
There was, and when one of the lead scientists brought this to the attention of his bosses, he was told to bury it, and he did until 2014.
Dr W Thompson P.hd, kept a copy of all the emails, all to the study evidence, and so on, because those scientists in the study were ordered to destroy the relevant pieces of evidence, and came forward with it all in 2014 and gave it to a Dr Brian Hooker, who went to, Andrew Wakefield and his team, where a film called Vaxxed has been made and released last year.
The producer of Vaxxed, is, Del Bigtree, the ex producer of the American medical talk show, The Doctors, so he is a very respected producer.
Unfortunately, I live in the UK so I haven't seen it, but what I see, it is getting some good reviews amongst parents who have gone to see the film.
And just a quickie about the CDC, the top doctors in that lousy organization, very, very often go on to very, very, very, very lucrative jobs in the same pharmaceutical companies that supply these vaccines.
Don't you find that disturbing, because I certainly do, how on earth can you trust these people, with the life of your kids, when you know this one fact!
Now, the guy who got struck off the medical register, alongside, Wakefield, Professor John Walker - Smith, a top paediatric Gastroenterologist at that time, has won his appeal and been reinstated on to the medical register once again.
The judge, as this was the first time the Wakefield and Walker - Smith case had come before a judge, in law, ripped apart the BMA's case against, Walker - Smith, and said this case should never have happened, the judgement was so full of holes it resembled a sieve.
The only reason, Andrew Wakefield, hasn't had his licence reinstated is because he doesn't see it as a priority and his insurance did not cover the cover of the appeal, around £500 000.
And as for, Brian Deer, give me a break (whilst rolling my eyes), the man is a danger to the public, and I suggest you look in to this case further, but stay away from, Deer, for gawd's sake.
Oh, have you read the paper that, Andrew Wakefield, wrote alongside 12 other doctors (but only 2 lost their licences, and the paper is reviewed by ALL these doctors before it was published) I have, and it NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stated that the MMR vaccine caused autism.
Like most people you have been conned my friend, by a corrupt, immoral, political system, where the almighty dollar rules, and doesn't care when it harms our children!!!!
Andrew wakefield is an evil, disgusting, vile, corrupt, and most importantly a pathetic excuse for a human being. Deliberately lying on medical reports to sell your own cure is wrong. Andrew Wakefield is responsible for millions of deaths worldwide, and should be shot publically.
Wakefield thought of his own money before the lives of humans. Skeptical? Watch Brian Deer uncover him...
There's evidence that Merck knew beforehand the dangers of Vioxx. Bottom line and not patient safety are the focus of big pharma. Merck was inspired to pull Vioxx from the market only because patients on Vioxx were dropping like flies with resultant lawsuits. So the point is that they have and will continue to push their drugs/vaccines onto the market supported with flawed and deceptive clinical trials and peer review that's about as effective as a gun with blanks. The system is corrupt and it won't be fixed because it's too profitable.
servaline Merck is well aware of the MMR as well, two Merck scientists who authored an efficacy study of MMR for Merck, filed a lawsuit against their employer on behalf of the US government claiming Merck perverted the study to combat results that showed MMR was not effective. While Merck can not be sued for vaccine injuries, they however can be sued for lying to governments about the efficacy of their product, and that case was filed in 2010. Merck lost their request to dismiss, and the discovery in that case is FINALLY due in court this year. In addition the CDC had their own MMR safety study rebuked by one of the author's, (Dr. Thompson) in 2014, disclosing nearly an identical act of fraud that occurred in the 2010 Merck case. Congress has yet to hold a hearing to question Dr.Thompson as requested.
Yeah, and let's not forget Bayer shipping all those vaccines contaminated with HIV to France because they were banned from using them in the US. And the way half the drugs approved by the FDA are up for class action suits for killing patients five years down the road.
Dr Wakefield. I was born June 20, 1965. In May of 1966 (11 months old) I was given my MMR vaccine. I was already talking and walking by that point. 2 months after MMR vacine, (age 13 months) I went into a diabetic comma for 10 days. It was only moments to realize that I was type 1 diabetic. The diet that Niki was on eliminated both gluten (assuming it was gliadin) and dairy (casein).
In 2008, NEJM reported they know the components that cause type 1 diabetes. 1) genetic predisposition 2) chromium and vanadium deficiencies 3) gluten (causing intestinal permeability) 3(allowing the antigen) bovine protein from dairy to pass into the blood stream where it engages the immune system to attack. Collateral damage occurs when the immune system mistakes the beta cells in the pancreas for bovine protein. Then immune system not able to distinguish self from not self. Auto-immune 101.
Today, I'm 100% raw-vegan, GF (no seeds or grains unless sprouted first) Soy-free (hormonal disruption) By removing 100% of dairy and gluten, I have had a remarkable recovery. I saw too many similarities with what happened to me and the movie about your story with the autistic children. I didn't start walking or talking again until i turned 25 months old.I think it is more similar than we realize. Over 200 auto-immune diseases are linked to gliadin damage causing intestinal permeability. Science has recognized about 60 of the foreign antigens that cause A-I Conditions. They are working on the other 140.
I never vaccinate now. Last vaccination was for influenza 5 years ago. I was sick for 18 months with a persistent cough. I underwent $40,000 worth of testing for cystic fibrosis (there were 12 invasive test) I use to have chronic bronchitis until I stopped taking the influenza vaccine. Since i started my diet protocol, I haven't been ill even a day in 4.5 years.
Are there test to find out if I have Nagalase protein in my system related to the vaccinations? Dr Bradstreet discovered that the Nagalase was blocking the GcMAH that protects the cells from viruses and cancers. Many think he was assassinated because of his discovery. I think your work and his are more closely related than we realize. Or at the very least..Ironic...
Any correlation between the HepB vaccination and HIV? I wonder. I never had the HepB and It is a miracle that I (one who never used prophylactics) did not contract HIV. All my friends, that did get the HepB vaccine died of AIDS years ago in the 80's.
Would love to hear your comments. Robb aka rawB
Rob K You are Right on the HepB Vaccine give in NYC in 1978 that spread the AIDS virus. It’s a big story but the test groups were homosexuals and IV drug users in US. Poppers sealed their fate by lowering the immune system. It should be illegal.
Thanks you mr. Wakefield.
Thank you, for misrepresenting the public and making them afraid of life-saving treatments.
Thank you, for saving and protecting all these poor diseases that were close to getting extinct thanks to our vaccines. Thanks for giving them a chance to return and harm many people.
Thank you, for using a real issue, like autism, to boost your lies against life-saving treatments.
I hope that you are just very, very incompetent. Because the alternative is that you are just evil and don't mind that your minsinformations cause so much harm.
It's all a damn scam..its inside job fraud to make sure all the results are what they want so they can sell their next garbage chemical to make billions and trillions.
How do people NOT see what is going on?
Merck is being sued in court presently for fabricated research results.
There are too many whistleblowers coming out now that are insiders and are firsthand witnesses to what is going on.
What has been perpetrated on the world public is disgusting and evil and so are any of these jackoff shills on here that are supporting the Big Pharma bullshit.
If anyone actually reads the facts with a sensible mindset and has any ability to use logic,then the truth can be understood as to what is going on.
Wakefield is not saying that ALL vaccines are bad, he is fighting against particular useless and dangerous vaccines that are basically snake-oil.
When the majority of health injury and malpractice is related to pharmaceutical's in some way these days, then seems logical to conclude that this vaccine debacle is completely believable...unless one is a shill,apologist,disinfo agent,or veritable clueless moron.
+Professorben11 The medical industry kills over 750,000 people a year. Vaccines aren't the first drugs to be found with deadly side effects; take for example the 40,000 to 60,000 persons killed by those same doctors who to you believe know a damn sign more than RemoteTimeTraveler after prescribing Vioxx. How can it be determined how many people are saved from deadly disease by vaccines if it's unknown how many people would have contracted the said deadly diseases in the first place? Let's not forget the 100,000+ people who are without limbs from thalidomide and the lies GKS told to hide the birth defects caused by their drug. I'm sure you believe that these men of science are brilliant.
The witch-hunt against Dr Wakefield and the propaganda shame campaign against Anti-Vaxxers is well orchestrated PR to do damage control for the producer of a known dodgy Urabe strain MMR vaccine that was proven to have caused meningitis and encephalopathy (brain damage that mimics autism) to a minority of children given the vaccine.
Dr. Wakefield stumbled upon and was ensnared by a conspiracy by officials in the UK government making shady deals to indemnify GlaxoSmithKline against any and ALL liability for their Urabe strain MMR vaccine. It had already caused problems in Canada (In early 1988, Canadian authorities suspended distribution of the Urabe-based MMR and eventually recalled the product.) GlaxoSmithKline refused to supply this strain without that indemnity because they knew it would cause injury... The UK could have gone with a more expensive but safer MMR produced by MERCK (which had it's own problems but it was safer than the GlaxoSmithKline Urabe strain MMR).
Measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccines containing the Urabe strain of mumps were withdrawn in the United Kingdom in 1992 following demonstration of an increased risk of aseptic meningitis 15–35 days after vaccination....
And to lay the blame on Dr. Wakefield's shoulders for the psychopathic disregard for the life of children and their families on the part of UK government officials and GlaxoSmithKline is repugnant and odious beyond words..
It is these conspirators who are to blame for the public's righteous lack of faith in vaccination... not the whistle blower... You would think the use of the Urabe strain MMR ended in 1992 right? Nope... even after this same strain caused damage in Canada and the UK... it was peddled in many 3rd world countries including Brazil.
Vaccination itself is not in question... it's criminal conspirators peddling poison masquerading as vaccination that is in question.
+batfly - Wanna see something funny (funny-coincidental)? I was catching up on my reading, and after I answered you, what is next in line but an article containing this sub-topic: *Trolls Used by Big Pharma to Attack Vaccine Objectors*.
How weird is _that?_
+batfly - Ha ha...can't tell the players without a scorecard.
I can hardly wait to get injected with some of that anti-malarial junk that was funded by the well-known, ethical, generous humanitarian, Bill Gates.
With a godfather like that, you just _know_ it's gotta be good, right? [/sacasm]
This man should be jailed, no regard for scientific procedure, and he is the reason for a whole generation of measles, mumps and rubella. A child's right to health is more important than a parents right to make a bad decision.
Ludvig Wynston Would you care to disclose the extent of your medical education ? I think the public has the right to know that, since you're making such far-reaching a condemnation of one of the foremost physicians in the U.K.
thank you Dr.Wakefield, it's nice to know that there are people who are willing to say what's right...your story is so familiar to me: Tesla, Ponzi and Fleischmann, Dr.Eugene Malowe and countless others that expose sociopaths on the top: the nail that sticks gets hammerred.
thank you so much- i am not going to vaccinate my children and as nurse, I will refuse to administer any vaccine in my practice.
peace and love to all
I hope you are being sarcastic, Wulimastr. Ever heard of a lobbyist? There is nothing "patriotic" about putting money before the health, lives and safety of our children, and that is EXACTLY what they do. It is all about money.
The M.M.R. program is being enforced world-wide with such voracity; its opponents persecuted so relentlessly; and the disclosure of its harmful effects (albeit in a small minority) suppressed with such vigour, that it begs the obvious question: Why ? The British College of Physicians and its equivalent body in the U.S. Dept of Health are marching in step using identical tactics combining suppression of information and persecution of the likes of Dr. Wakefield for a reason.This will be uncovered.
I'm just glad there isn't any sort of conflict of interest between the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA. Otherwise I would worry people were putting profits before my child's health. God bless the honest patriots of the FDA and world healers of the pharmaceutical industry.
I'm always looking to learn so if my statement above isn't completely accurate please help me gain more accurate info. I'm very open minded. Thanks!
Like every study every produced, by difference organizations, worldwide? Why do independent researchers, over and over, come to the same conclusion that vaccines are not linked to autism?
If anti-vaccination is to gain even the slightest bit of credibility, this is something they need to comment on.
I wonder what Andy has to say about the Danish study that claims to have proven the MMR is not linked to Autism. The data was skewed to arrive at the result. By reducing the umbrella of Autistic symptoms to Aspergers only and cutting the age off at under 5yrs, knowing Aspergers is usually picked up at school. The numbers of vaccinated children included in the studys findings were savagely culled in order to arrive at a group of children they could confidently compare to unvaccinated children
Furthermore, his anti-vaccination propaganda also actually hurts and kills people. Yet, he does not hesitate to label me and anyone who oppose his views as a criminal.
Conspiracy nut for promoting deadly nonsense = not allowed
Criminal for supporting modern science = allowed
Got it! It wont happen again.
If you actually read the patent, and all of its claims, you would realize that this compound can do nothing to treat a measles infection.
The person I called 'conspiracy nut' receive his information from people who deny the holocaust, HIV and think that modern medicine is a big plot to make us all sick, for profit.
These websites, for instance, exploits seriously ill cancer patients by saying that modern treatments are useless, and, should be replaced by some herbs (etc).
You apparently are not qualified to discuss even the basics in medicine, epidemiology or immunology. The only thing you do is spew conspiracy propaganda from other people with a strong uneducated opinion (infowards, naturalnews).
State your sources with direct links, or stop posting. You cant contribute anything on your own, because you have no knowledge on the topic.
6. Most studies are not "pro-vaccine", they are simply meant to examine IF vaccines are safe or effective. Fact is, most vaccines are scrapped before even reaching clinical trials, as a result of lacking efficiency or safety. However, pharmaceutical companies should not be allowed to do design studies for their own products.
7. If you hint on reducing the population, then anti-vaccination is the way to go. Vaccintion = less sick = more productivity = better development.
Great, so please how do you suggest that MMR causes SSPE?
2. Vaccines contain inactivated particles of a pathogen, they are only meant to induce immunity towards that pathogen. A healthy lifestyle + vaccination is of course good for lowering disease.
3. Read about the hygiene hypothesis.
4 + 5. Dont know enough to give a good answer, sorry.
Trying to make this even more clear:
1. You stated that the MMR cause SSPE.
2. I posted studies saying that the measles virus of SSPE patients have not been matched to strain used in the MMR vaccine.
3. Now, I ask you again:
*How can you say that the MMR cause SSPE?
*And even if it did, how can you oppose MMR when the risk of getting SSPE was ALOT higher before the vaccination campaign?
4. Aseptic meningitis is not SSPE. Don't try to change the subject.
I asked a direct question - Do you understand what sequencing is?
Google it and read, then come back and explain how the measles vaccine could have caused SSPE. Answer this and Ill gladly adress all your questions.
What do you mean by "immunization department" ? :)
Do you understand what sequencing a genome means?
-That we can find out the exact order of nucleotides (building blocks of DNA), and then compare it to other sequenced genomes. It means that the measles virus vaccine sequence is known, and compared to the virus obtained from SSPE patients.
Do you understand that not one case has matched the causative strain to the one in vaccines?
The article you posted:
-Measles, mumps, rubella vaccine induced subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (1997).
estimated the risk of SSPE at 0.7 per 1 million doses of vaccines. Same article estimated the risk of SSPE following measles infection at ~8,5-40 per 100000 cases. This article DOES NOT match the measles virus to the vaccine strain.
If you dont like my study, there are MANY more on pubmed, like:
The epidemiology of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis in England and Wales 1990-2002
That is a lie, and if you actually read that study I presented you would see how the cases of SSPE dropped after the MMR was introduced.
"similar to antibiotics"
- You have no education within medicine, molecular biology or anything even remotely related, so please stop trying to assert things. It only makes you look even more dumb.
Link me with some evidence, and dont just copy-paste paragraphs from infowars or naturalnews, or shut the fuck up. Your uneducated opinion is not worth anything
The strain of virus in the measles vaccine is sequenced (meaning every tiny bit of its genome is known), and can be compared to those found in patients who died of SSPE. There has not been ONE case where the strain of measles virus isolated has been matched with the one used in vaccines.
Therefore, there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that the MMR even can cause SSPE.
Now, be a doll and go fetch me another lie from your conspiracy websites :)
More lies fetched right from holocaust-deniers like Alex Jones. Here is why:
Review of the effect of measles vaccination on the epidemiology of SSPE (2007).
Short summary (as you probably wont read it): SSPE is a complication of the measles virus, and the risk of getting it is 6.5-22 per 100000 measles infections. The risk from a vaccine - 0.7 per 1 000 000 doses, but this is a worst-case scenario, as it assumes any child vaccinated without a history of measles got SSPE from the vaccine.
I will translate your latest post
- Im a lying conspiracy crackpot who cant provide references for my claims, because Im just making it all up.
How was that?
If you actually had a strong argument supported by facts, and not just a biased opinion, you would flood these channels with links to the evidence. Instead you just make shit up and accuse people of trolling for pharmaceutical companies.
"The measles were in the bowels of his patients"
During the investigation, the doctor responsible for identifying measles in the bowels was asked to hand over his raw data so that experts could take a look at it. He failed to do so.
"There are enough papers regarding that point."
-Sources. Articles like this one below is all I get when I try to find evidence for your claims:
Measles vaccination and inflammatory bowel disease: controversy laid to rest? (2001).
Lying conspiracy crackpot
Wakefield stated that this would treat "MMR mediated disease". Strange because the MMR has not been shown to damage the intestinal mucosa (his hypothesis in his faked article). Meaning he intended it against a condition that doesnt exist, AND, as a vaccine against measles.
If people make something useful that works, and a company wants to buy it, then of course they make alot of money. This applies to any field, anywhere, not just inventors of vaccines.
Wakefield killed people for profit.
There actually is a filed patent in his name. He actually was payed almost half a million to discredit the MMR. He then falsified data and published a study that "did not prove an association" between autism and the MMR, but, he then went on to promote the shit out if it through mainstream media. His patented measles vaccine was intended as replacement for the MMR.
Yes, Id say ELABORATE. These are facts, not assumptions by the way.
Do you find mr Wakefield credible?
He had his own(!!) measles vaccine patented the year before he published that infamous study. He was payed 400000$ by lawyers who wanted to sue vaccine manufacturers and he falsified data (yes, this was proved a few years ago).
Stripped of his license to practice medicine in 2010, his last resort now is preaching to anti-vacc/conspiracy crackpots by selling books, lecturers and interviews.
How can you have any trust for a person like mr Wakefield?
Would you care to share this research? The uptake has increased because of the measles epidemic dumbass.
"I don't think you do any research other than bend over before the vaccine propaganda lobby, and take their propaganda up your behind. " - This is the most hypocrtical statement in the history of ever.
jpeds . com/webfiles/images/journals/ympd/JPEDSDeStefano. pdf
You ever read that? Easy to find document that proves vaccines don't cause autism.
I believe research and evidence. Not Jenny Mcarthy.
"You believe the news? You don't believe the news?" - I don't instantly believe what they tell me, I go research it myself and get a form a decision based on the evidence.
Just face it, you're wrong, you haven't provided any proof that you are right and I am wrong while I have. In the real world, that's how you know someone is wrong and you don't go "THEY'RE LYING! I CAN'T PROVE IT BUT I KNOW IT!!"
I don't believe everything they tell me on TV, but when 1200 people get measles and then over 100,000 people line up to get measles jabs and none of them have adverse side-effect I think you can pretty safely say there is nothing wrong with vaccines .
It's not in the news. You're just making stuff up and ignoring any evidence I put in front of you that proves you are mis-informed and wrong. Look at them, They show you are wrong but of course, you'd rather stay "right" about something because you want to feel smart then actually giving a fuck about the health of these people. People like you should be disgusted with themselves.
If you don't understand that logic then you are actually a moron. You keep stating things but refuse to provide any scientific evidence or proof for your claims. I've provided 4 links now that all show you are wrong.
Do you have evidence for this? In fact in the UK yesterday about 100,000 people went and queued up for the MMR vaccine due to morons like you not taking it and causing a measles outbreak. Funny how out of all those 100,000 people nothing bad happened at all. You keep saying shit but don't provide any evidence of it being true.
I have a huge desire for science, I've also posted two links that prove you wrong. You realise how vaccine companies make profits right? By making vaccines that work, would you buy a car that doesn't work? No, so why would hospitals buy vaccines that don't work? You know anyone who has polio? No? Thank vaccines
But more than 1% of the people who smoke get lung cancer. The number should be a lot higher.
You really don't know what evidence is do you? I've provided an article with several links that prove what they are saying. You have shown me 1 newspaper article about somone who had an allergic reaction and got neurological damage.
Zero good science?
jpeds . com/webfiles/images/journals/ympd/JPEDSDeStefano. pdf
"hen he never even said that and he wasn't paid to publish the paper in the lancet." - So you're agreeing he admitted to lying but you still believe him? Are you fucking stupid?
Please explain, if vaccines cause autism why isn't more than 1% of the population autistic? It doesn't add up.
Umm Yes they do, you've just shown you know nothing about science. There's no pint trying to debate with ignorant fools like you. You get evidence place in front of you and you just say "that's not evidence" then carry on your bullshit rants that have no merit at all. "that the vaccine had caused his autism." - Autism like symptoms caused by neurological damage due to an allergic reaction. Get the full story.
"he lancet paper did not receive a single cent of funding from lawyers" - You keep saying "false" but yet you don't provide any sources or links. It's been proven they took money, that's why Dr Wakefield lost his medical license.
They haven't. They have recompensated 1 kid who had an allergic reaction and developed autism like symptoms, not autism.
cid . oxfordjournals . org/content/48/4/456.full
Here's an article that shows actual studies that have happened and prove vaccines don't cause autism.
And now you are changing the subject to try and avoid the topic because you have no answer. Please tell me, if vaccines cause autism then why is only 1% of the population autistic?
"Wakefield had two papers written before 1996 already on the measles and Crohn's disease link." - And he was probably paid to write them, the guy lost all his credibility the moment he got paid to lie.
Wakefield was paid to lie, he got caught being paid to lie, it's being scientically proven that vaccines don't cause autism but you have this one evil piece of shit who decided to lie about it and then patent his own vaccine and try and say that one wouldn't cause autism so all the money would go to him to all these poor people who's fear he exploited to try and make cash. It's been proven vaccines work and it's been proven wakefield is a liar. But of course everyone else is lying aren't they?!
When he provides several sources and studies you cannot say that. You're believing a guy who was lying about vaccines for money, was caught out and had his medical license revoked over a guy who provides facts and evidence for what he is saying? Have fun living in ignorance you dumbass.
I play guitar about an hour a day, I have plenty of time for spare reading. Why don't you show me some scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism and then you should go get it peer reviewed because if it's true then you'll change a lot of peoples opinions. But alas, people like you refuse to provide evidence and just start being patronising and insulting as if that makes your argument more solid. Where's the scientific proof and evidence?
That is the biggest load of shite I've read. That you have the facts, evidence and statistics to back up your statement? Please tell me, If vaccines are so bad then why doesn't polio exist except in countries where muslim clerics preach that the vaccines are evil and terrible.
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